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July 09, 2009

What I'm saying

Welcome to Week 25 of my adventure of following the Start Up Version of the Grow Your Business Marketing Plan + Calendar.  In my posts, I talk about my voyage down the road of self-employment as a virtual marketing assistant, my achievements and roadblocks along the way, and I include a weekly recap at the end.

Here are the basics of what I’m saying when I make “intro calls” -- maybe it will help you.  It’s gotten more conversational over the past few weeks, but the more comfortable I feel with it the better:

Hi (Insert name of Super-Interested yet currently unknowing Prospect here),

My name is Deidre Rienzo.  I write content for websites.  I’d like to introduce myself -- do you have a second? 

(super-interested prospect says yes, absolutely!)

I’m not sure if you ever need to refer your clients to a copywriter, but if you do, I can either work as a member of your team and you would mark up my prices, or I pay a referral fee to you for each page of copy that I write.  Is this something you might need? 

Usually they start talking, and I’ve been able to find out more about their needs and their company.

That’s it.  It’s really that simple.  There’s no need to stress yourself or come up with complicated explanations.

It might make you a little jittery in the beginning.  In my first few attempts, I was really, really nervous.  After that, it’s been so much better.  I can see already how this is going to make a big difference.   

If you’re hesitating, you can do it!  And if you’re calling, great job, you’ve got guts!  Please do post and let me know how it’s going for you.

PS.  A reader wanted to hear more about how I’m selecting targets to call.  Well, so far I’ve been finding them on Google and Yahoo searches for “NJ web designer” and other related search terms.  You can usually find the name of the “principal” or “owner” on the website.  When I can’t find a name, I sometimes just call anyway.  I’m sure there are more sophisticated ways to find prospects, but this way is working so far.

Week 27 Recap:  I’m quite busy this week with work, but I'm following up with all the people I've cold called so far. Tomorrow, I’m going to start creating a new website for copy writing.  I want to get that up and running before embarking on my other to-do, getting my newsletter started.

July 02, 2009

This week: 5 calls and 3 good prospects

Welcome to Week 25 of my adventure of following the Start Up Version of the Grow Your Business Marketing Plan + Calendar.  In my posts, I talk about my voyage down the road of self-employment as a virtual marketing assistant, my achievements and roadblocks along the way, and I include a weekly recap at the end.

Last week I posted about the cold calls I made.  I got a few prospects on the phone but also left one message.  I almost forgot to send a follow up email, but then I did.  The email said pretty much the same thing I said on the voice message.  The prospect wrote back right away saying she was “definitely interested” but on vacation and to “please send more info.”

I was surprised.  And, I definitely won’t forget to send those follow up emails!

I wasn’t really in the mood to call people today.  But anyone who knows Ilise knows she says "it doesn’t matter if you’re in the mood or not" -- so I put a smile on my face and got started.  And like all the other times, I felt happier and more “in the mood” after I got going.

Out of today’s 5 calls, I got 3 design company owners in person -- all of whom were interested in receiving more information about my website copywriting services. 

Here’s a recap of the 3 people I spoke to:

1.  Said I called at “just the right time.”  He dove right into a few projects he might need some help with.  We even talked prices.  Nothing definite yet, but certainly promising!  Way more so than if I hadn’t picked up the phone.

2.  I felt like she was in a rush, but after I introduced myself she started talking.  She works with one copywriter but would love to give her clients a choice of who they want to work with.  She said it would be great if I could send some examples and rates she could send to her clients.  I think when people can tell you're a nice person, they become immediately more willing to send you business.  So don't be afraid to let your super (genuine) niceness shine through.

3.  His business is fairly new, and though he’s never needed these services before, he expects to as business picks up.  And guess what, when he does, I’ll be the “first person” he calls.

Everyone said “thank you for calling” and it really seemed like they meant it. 

If you’re not calling, go for it.  People might actually need your help -- they just need YOU to let them know you’re out there.

PS. Next week, I’ll tell you exactly what I’m saying to my prospects.

Week 26 Recap:  It’s funny… now that I’m getting all of these prospects in my pipeline, it seems only natural that I would create a system to keep in touch with them.  Coincidentally, this month it’s time for us beginners to start creating an email newsletter!  But at the same time I am realizing the increased need to create an actual website devoted to this new website copywriting business.  Can I do both?  I’m pondering.  No promises yet… we’ll see how this week goes.  Let me know how you're marketing is coming along!

July 01, 2009

How often should you call?

Last night, I gave a talk for NJ Creatives and was waxing poetic about the dreaded cold calling, specifically about how prospects don't call you back (and why you shouldn't expect them to) but that that doesn't mean you should stop calling.

Someone asked how often to call and, as if on cue, Steve Guberman from Fifth Room Creative raised his hand and told us all an incredible story about how he called an organization he wanted to work with every week for a year, often leaving a quick joke on his prospect's voice mail -- he did that every week for a year!

During that year, he had a couple conversations with the prospect. Otherwise, the calls weren't returned, but the prospect never said to stop calling. So he didn't.

One day, after a year, the prospect called with a project and then another and another and that client was eventually worth $100K in business.

What if Steve had taken the silence for lack of interest and given up? He'd have missed that $100K, right? Can you learn from Steve's experience?

Any more success stories out there we can use to inspire people to get over the dread? Because, as one client wrote to me last week, "the dread is worse than the doing." So true....

June 25, 2009

Warm receptions from cold calls

Welcome to Week 25 of my adventure of following the Start Up Version of the Grow Your Business Marketing Plan + Calendar.  In my posts, I talk about my voyage down the road of self-employment as a virtual marketing assistant, my achievements and roadblocks along the way, and I include a weekly recap at the end.

Of the 4 calls I made today, I spoke to 3 people in person.  Yes, they were cold calls, but I got some very warm receptions.

First of all, this cold calling thing is definitely not as bad as I thought. (Anyone agree?) The less I sound like a robot, and the more I let my personality come through, the better it seems to go.

It’s getting easier.  And I hung up from each call with a giant, proud of myself smile on my face. All three web designers I spoke to today were incredibly friendly.  Here's a recap of the calls:

Call 1.  I had a fantastic conversation.  She usually works with one copywriter but sometimes gets busy, and if my rates and samples are good she’d be happy to get me involved.  We got into our backgrounds, our feelings on self-employment, and had a few laughs as well.  She thanked me, genuinely, for calling her!

Call 2.  I had another fantastic conversation.  This guy was ready for me!  He asked all sorts of questions about my background, almost as if he had a qualifying sheet in front of him.  I happily answered his questions and he said he’d be glad to look at some examples of my work and get me into the rotation.

Call 3.  I had yet another fantastic conversation!  Only this one I won’t be sending my samples to.  He said he already has a network of copywriters from an organization he belongs to: njcreatives.org. He told me it’s a great organization, there’s a meeting coming up, and I should consider attending.  So I looked on their website, and guess, JUST GUESS which event he’s talking about?  The one on June 30th in Wayne, NJ where our very own Ilise Benun will be speaking!  SMALL WORLD!

Week 25 Recap: I’m making cold calls, and it’s getting easier.  I’m actually enjoying it.  I’m networking on Biznik (connect with me?) and continuing to research new prospects.  How are you doing?  Anyone have cold calling, networking, or marketing success stories to share?

May 14, 2009

It wasn't so bad (but I did hang up on someone!)

Welcome to Week 19 of my adventure of following the Start Up Version of the Grow Your Business Marketing Plan + Calendar.  In my posts, I talk about my voyage down the road of self-employment as a virtual marketing assistant, my achievements and roadblocks along the way, and I include a weekly recap at the end.

I didn’t make 5 calls this week, I made 10—and I’m still here to tell the tale.
 
Since I’ve been networking on Biznik every day, I first decided to look for some tips and inspiration by posting in their Community forum. People replied with some helpful advice.  I learned:

  • It's a numbers game, if you call enough people, you’ll get business
  • Not to take it personally
  • To narrow your target audience
  • To use affiliations or connections to your advantage
  • To make “introductions,” not cold calls
  • To use persistent, friendly follow up

Excellent.  This all sounded great.  So, armed with my scripts and spreadsheet of prospects, I was ready to go.

Then I got extremely nervous.  So nervous, the knots in my stomach were fluttering.  I had to laugh at myself because I’ve performed on stage in front of thousands of people, and sang in front of full stadiums.  I approach strangers on a regular basis, I’ve been on tons of job interviews, and none of those things has affected me this way. But suddenly this, a simple phone call, has created this kind of physical response?  Ridiculous!  For goodness sake, the person I’m calling can’t even see me!  With my heart still coming out of my chest for reasons I could not understand, I dialed the phone.

Continue reading "It wasn't so bad (but I did hang up on someone!)" »

April 27, 2009

Do Prospects Ever Really Hang Up on You?

That's one of the questions we'll answer Tuesday, April 28 in our webinar, "Cold Calling is the Brussels Sprouts of Marketing."

So listen to the 3rd audio cupcake, in which the communicatrix and I talk about the realistic (and unrealistic) expectations freelancers have of cold calling, neither of which happen. That's why it's essential to know what really happens and how to prepare for it.

Listen here:
http://www.audioacrobat.com/play/W8hcKB87

And sign up here:
http://tinyurl.com/8umlju

And if you have specific questions you want answered, send them to ilise at marketing-mentor dot com.

April 21, 2009

Brussels Sprouts = Success?

What do brussels sprouts have to do with success? Check out the 2 webinars coming up, and you'll find out. They're both at the end of the day so you don't have to interrupt your busy day:

April 28, 7 PM Eastern (4 PM Pacific)
Cold Calling is the Brussels Sprouts of Marketing
with Ilise Benun and Colleen Wainwright (a.k.a. the communicatrix)
(includes brussels sprouts recipes) Details here: http://tinyurl.com/8umlju 
And listen to our audio cupcake #2 (of 3) here: http://www.audioacrobat.com/play/W2yjh087

May 4, 7 PM Eastern (4 PM Pacific)
What’s Working Right Now:
Real-World, First Hand Success Strategies from 3 Working Freelancers
with Ilise Benun and Dani Nordin, Patrice Robertie and Amy Weiher
Details here: http://www.howdesign.com/creativefreelancerwebinar

March 31, 2009

Cold Calling Nightmare Comes True

It's Cold Calling Day. Ugh. I schedule this task about a week after I send out hard-copy materials to people I haven't met but may use my services. Cold Calling Day is never on a Monday and never on a Friday and always between the decent hours of 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. I open up my marketing outreach list and then I open lots of marketing articles and blogs to read between calls and keep my energy up.

Today was supposed to be a good Cold Calling Day because my prospects weren’t really cold. A client who no longer needs my services but thinks I do a great job gave me twenty referrals. Why wouldn't his contacts want my help?

It started out smoothly. I left seven left messages and got one request for materials by email. I thought I'd get another easy one out of the way by calling a gentlemen who might even remember me - I planned his retirement party at the Guggenheim back when I was in-house at his law firm. 

I picked up the phone with enthusiasm, dialed and was confronted with the first wave...the assistant. After I had thoroughly convinced her I was not some loony tune but a viable human being worthy of speaking to her boss, I heard him..."hello?"

Continue reading "Cold Calling Nightmare Comes True" »

January 26, 2009

Growing Your Business with Marketing, Week 4: Ramping it up YOUR way

This is Week Four of a 52-week project/experiment in DIY marketing. Armed with nothing but a copy of the 2009 Grow Your Business Marketing Plan + Calendar and my bare wits, I'm applying the skills you need to grow a business in real time, day by day, and reporting on them week by week. You can follow along here every Monday; check in with my companion blog, A Virgo's Guide to Marketing, for additional links and information.

This week: More cold calls, slightly new script, whole new outlook

I'm not sure how many of you who read this are working the Veteran's Calendar (which I'm supposed to be working) vs. the Start-Up Calendar, or even whether you're working the calendar at all. While this series is supposed to be an out-loud demonstration of the calendar in action, with all the helpful knowledge that you'd expect from same, it's not necessary to be working the marketing plan/calendar yourself to get something out of my (and Deidre's) experience(s) with it.

This week is going to be a perfect demonstration of that. Because unlike the previous weeks, it's not full of demos and how-tos and tips and tricks, but just one big, fat, cautionary tale about what not to do.

Continue reading "Growing Your Business with Marketing, Week 4: Ramping it up YOUR way" »

January 19, 2009

Growing Your Business with Marketing, Week 3: Cold Calls! Or, "You're only a stranger once"

This is Week Three of a 52-week project/experiment in DIY marketing. Armed with nothing but a copy of the 2009 Grow Your Business Marketing Plan + Calendar and my bare wits, I'm applying the skills you need to grow a business in real time, day by day, and reporting on them week by week. You can follow along here every Monday; check in with my companion blog, A Virgo's Guide to Marketing, for additional links and information.

This week: Making cold calls without it killing you

The good news is, I'm still here.

Laugh away, all you brilliant salespeople who pick up the phone over and over (with or without "the good leads") and sober-dial strangers for 15 or 30 or 60 minutes per day. Until last Friday, I had never made a cold call in my life.

Truthfully, I still haven't. Ilise and Peleg have very wisely repositioned the dreaded cold call as the slightly less dreadful "research call"—a small but significant shift, mentally. My one non-retail sales job—selling desk blotter ad space one summer between my junior and senior years—had me knocking on actual doors to sell, something that one either has the stones for or that teaches one to find other employment. Much like my brief experience in the food service industry, I chose the the latter.

But I digress. We're here to discuss cold/research calling...

Making practice calls makes (theoretically) perfect calls

Both the Grow Your Business Calendar and Ilise very specifically state that one should make a few (hundred, if necessary) practice calls on prospects who are not on your "A" list.

For me, selling my little marketing-for-actors talk, that means finding schools outside of easy driving radius of my home who have some kind of acting program where they're getting training in the artsy/tech-y sides of things, but not the business side. There are dozens and dozens of places less than a half-day from where I live, if not closer; ultimately, I'd like to develop some kind of ongoing relationship with them, where I come a couple of times per term or even get an adjunct professorship. (I very much like the sound of "Professor Wainwright", although there's no way I would let anyone call me that on purpose.)

So I needed to find acting schools outside of a 50-mile radius. Preferably, way outside.

Where to find practice "marks"

While I was whining to Ilise during our weekly check-in about who the HELL was I going to call and how the HELL was I going to find them, she went online, did a quick Google search and fired off an email to me with a URL. I believe the very complex search parameters she plugged in were "acting" and "schools". Without the quotes.

Several of the schools I recognized as so-called "schools"—non-accredited institutions designed to separate desperate would-be stars from their money; live long enough in L.A. and work long enough in the industry and you learn who the bad guys are. I didn't care about them, but I didn't want to call them, either: I want people at real schools with real acting programs, just farther away.

One school looked like a likely non-immediate prospect: branch of a large, state uni, stand-alone acting program, roughly 1,500 miles away. After a bit more searching using the the school's name and a couple of other terms like "professor" and "chair", I hit the jackpot: a downloadable PDF from the past academic year with the names and contact info of every chair of what looked like every college in the state! I went from having zero practice prospects to enough to practice on for the next four weeks in a few keystrokes.

Eventually, you have to pick up the phone and dial

While Ilise gave me permission to call after hours and just leave messages, I figured since I was doing it out loud here on the blog I ought to at least try talking to some real people. Granted, I wasn't sure who'd be answering the phone in a theater department on a Friday at 3:45 (this state is two times zones east of here), but at least I made a stab at calling during working hours.

My very first call, someone picked up. (Of course.) She sounded sweet and friendly and very, very young, so she was a good first gatekeeper. I went off-script and chatted about the weather and how lucky we were to be in states where it was good during the winter, then plunged into my script. Sort of.

What I mean is that I definitely used the script to keep me on track—to remember to say my name clearly and slowly, and for a quick way of summing up what it was I was calling about—but with a real human on the line, I felt the need to connect and let things flow. I added some things here and there instinctively, talking about my background in commercial acting and marketing, or adding a bit of embellishment or emphasis about how important it was to learn real-world skills, or just...being human. I mean, we've all been on the receiving end of those dreadful telemarketing calls (which is probably why everyone hates cold calling, aside from the potential for rejection); I did not want to be That Person.

She heard my pitch, put me on hold while she checked with her boss, and then came back and asked me to email him some links. Which means, of course, I'll now have to add a new landing page to my site specifically for this. No matter.

It was a great way to kick off the cold calling fest. It was also the only live human I got; everything else went straight into voicemail, so I had a chance to see how I was with that, as well. (Oddly enough, it was harder. It was easier with the give-and-take of a live human on the other end. Go figger.)

My best advice to those of you heading into your cold calls

I can tell that this is probably never going to be my fave thing; I'm a writer and a performer, not a salesperson. Plus, I hate the phone. But just doing it this once, a few things are a lot clearer, and I think next time will be easier.

  • Don't skip the steps before this. Really. One thing I felt supported in was that I knew with absolute certainty what I had to sell and the kind of people I needed to get in front of. Calling is already a pretty random way of doing things; make sure you can make concrete what's in your control to do so.
  • Work off of a printed form. I now have a list with notes I can use for followup, which is critical. You will NOT remember later, especially if you're nervous during. But more importantly, I got to check off each name. Never underestimate the power of a really silly motivator.
  • Smile. Breathe. I don't remember if I learned the first from voiceover actors or some marketing book, but it makes a difference. You feel better if you smile, and I swear, it warms up your voice so the other person can hear it. The breathing thing is something I'm constantly having to remind myself of. I think I may put a big sticky note on my monitor next time.
  • Write it down in your calendar. If you're like me, the calendar is sacred territory. If it makes it onto the calendar, I keep the appointment. If it's just an item on a list...well, that can be pushed to another day. A silly hack, maybe, but it helps.

Next week: More calls! And more (hopefully) illuminating stuff around making calls! And maybe even some feedback on and learning from previous calls!

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